One of my many observations of the debate between Robert and Kirk from Kirk’s Law Corner the other night was that, even though Kirk was the one who called for the debate, and even though he was the one who called Robert a con—and said that the work Robert is doing is “BS”—the whole reason for the debate was not to determine who knows more about the law or who is right or wrong. It was simply to prove that Robert was a con and that the work he is doing is “BS.”
But instead of proving that point—which he could not—it seemed as if the debate became more about Kirk trying to demonstrate how much he knows, highlighting his own knowledge and experience with the law, rather than proving his original claim about Robert being a con. From what I observed, it felt more like some sort of class, where Kirk was trying to teach Robert something he assumed Robert didn’t already know.
Another observation I made multiple times is that not once during the debate did Robert belittle or downplay Kirk’s experience or knowledge. Yet, on several occasions, Kirk would say things like, “This is evidence of someone who clearly hasn’t studied the law as much as they claim,” or he would boast about how many books he owns, how many he’s read, and how some of them contain “the good stuff.” He would often say, “Guys, I’ve been doing this a long time. I’ve read a lot of books.”
It was clearly obvious based on what Kirk was saying—and his body language—that when Robert asked him direct questions, Kirk would frequently avoid answering and instead divert the conversation back to topics like, “Article III says this,” or, “The Declaration of Independence says that.” As we all saw, Robert would kindly remind him, “We’re not debating that,” and, “That’s not why we’re here.”
One particularly telling moment was when Robert asked Kirk, “Are you a Marine?” and then followed up with some questions regarding the oath he swore. We all saw Kirk literally cringe when Robert asked that question.
Again, these are just some observations I felt led to share. I do believe the debate was powerful. And while it wasn’t about proving who knows more or who is right or wrong—though I believe that was Kirk’s intention—a lot of positive facts were presented, especially by Robert, regarding the current state of our nation and how much work we have to do, not just in general, but also from a jurisdictional standpoint. Most of us understand/innerstand that jurisdiction is huge—and that it’s what has been used for well over a century to manipulate and enslave the people.
What became undeniably clear during the debate is that Kirk does not actually understand/innerstand the distinction between jurisdictions like he claims he does. Time and again, Robert exposed this by asking direct questions and presenting clear, foundational truths that Kirk either couldn’t answer or tried to deflect. Rather than demonstrating a firm grasp on the jurisdictional framework that underpins our legal enslavement, Kirk fell back on surface-level rhetoric, while Robert laid out tangible solutions rooted in lawful remedy. This alone spoke volumes to anyone truly paying attention.
I also believe Robert is a major threat to Kirk because Robert is actually laying the groundwork to correct the jurisdiction of the people who are ready and willing to step up and take action in their counties. That’s where the whole Michigan General Assembly aspect of this comes into play, with Robert and Our United Republic working together in a complementary way to fulfill the mission.
And one last observation—it’s also very interesting that the letter written to or about Robert on May 11th, which Robert posted on his Telegram channel, along with all the other attacks and even this debate the other night—none of that was ever a big issue until Robert started connecting with the Michigan General Assembly. Now there’s a clear affiliation. That should tell all of us something: Robert working with the Michigan General Assembly is obviously a huge threat to those who are working against us.
Trevor Winchell – American Patriot Social